[16SA3007] Discover the Unknown Target Event

[Mohammad Albahly]

SA Special Operation prude to announce the Discover the Unknown Target Event

On 30 of July 2010 @ 1800Z we would like to invite you to the skill and challenging Event

For more information here

We wish you enjoyable Event 

[Luis Nogueira]

Hi Mohammad Albahly,

1st of all, congrats for this propose for SO (is a SO CAT1?) is always good when someone have this joy to share with others.

The Special Air Force (www.specialairforce.org) will be there for this mission.

However we will not confirm the number of pilots, their names much less their e-mails.
Although I understand you want to organize the time off for each team / formation, can not agree with that obligation.

I disagree because several times in this forum, members confirmed their attendance and missed for reasons that I believe most important, do not agree because, taking as an example several operations that occurred over time, there were failures or delays in schedules; also believe it is possible to perform such missions as in the past very positively, even taking the example of another mission that called for teams of two pilots at least, on the day of the mission lacked pilots teams that made those teams had unique elements that need to look at other teams in the same situation a chance to join at this time.

Thus, the Special Air Force is certainly present, but we will not confirm if with 2, 3, 4 or more pilots.

At 18.00z we will be present and, at that time determine if there will be formations with two elements, 3 elements, 2 +2, 2 +3, etc..

More inform you, like me, many of our pilots are on vacation this time of year and that is our taste for Special Operations that we will be on this date for the mission. I turned on the day of the mission on vacation.

I hope and wish that the organization be aware of these arguments.

Noting that the Special Air Force was the first group to express their desire to be present and carry out the mission, we can only assume that we will be the 1st to start the mission.

[Gabor Szentesi]

The event organizer has a right for any addition or special requirement what is not against to the IVAO rules

[Luis Nogueira]

then, the org just need to express here, in the forum that this event is only reserved to who reserve the presence.

If that way, i will be there just to have the fun of see who fail, the delays and see that for some members, the life is just black and white!

another point, in the main rules of ivao, no one can be forbitten to fly if fly by the main rules of IVAO.

If this is the 1st step, then, in my point of view, this isn't a SO-HQ mission but a reserved mission for some ones.

For the freedom of participate in Special Operations.

This is a question of freedom of be part... don't limit it!

[Leonardo Ferreira]

Nice Event

I will try to be present

Come on SO Community,

Wake Up

[Luis Nogueira]

more questions...

1- what will hapen to any pilot that not make the reservation and do the mission?

2- if a pilot don't do the reservation, will not have the points of the mission?

3- the airspace will be closed to any pilot that don't do the reservation?

[Luis Nogueira]

Nice Event

I will try to be present

Come on SO Community,

Wake Up

As i see for the org of the mission, or you be there or...

[Luis Nogueira]

"The leader of the formation will guide his group to fly in close formation (minimum 0.1 NM)  with the TGT."

and the max?

[Luis Nogueira]

in the site of the mission:

" the group leader will send an email to the SA-SOC and SA-SOAC,   3 days in advance before the event  include the following:

   1.

      Call sign for the 3 or 2 Pilots
   2.

      VID & Names for the 3 or 2 Pilots
   3.

      Participants E-mails
       

Then we will send an email to the leader of the group take-off time, SQK and the mission.

THIS CAN'T BE RIGHT! WE ONLY KNOW THE MISSION IF WE SEND THE MAIL WITH THE NAME OF THE PILOTS, ETC...

THIS CAN'T BE A HQ MISSION... IS A SECRET MISSION ONLY FOR FEWS... IS A GROUP IN THE MAJOR GROUP!

I'M AGAINS THIS!

[Luis Nogueira]

Another error! we see dct HAS but the point is HSA!

I sugest: do a correct map and open the participation to who wants to do the mission!

[Joy Aziz]

then, the org just need to express here, in the forum that this event is only reserved to who reserve the presence.

If that way, i will be there just to have the fun of see who fail, the delays and see that for some members, the life is just black and white!

another point, in the main rules of ivao, no one can be forbitten to fly if fly by the main rules of IVAO.

If this is the 1st step, then, in my point of view, this isn't a SO-HQ mission but a reserved mission for some ones.

For the freedom of participate in Special Operations.

This is a question of freedom of be part... don't limit it!

i think you didnt read the forum where this topic is posted in it. It is a special Operation event . you have to expect to find something new and not normal like flying with group and the minmum  2. you have millions of event that are to fly alone and that is becouse it is a normal event , but this is called SO . about the IVAO rules . We have all the approvels for the event from the IVAO SO Department.and the org. has the right to put any additional things to the event. it is a SO event 

[Mohammad Albahly]

However we will not confirm the number of pilots, their names much less their e-mails

The group is 2 or 3 they have to put leader who responsible to organize his pilot I can’t receive all e-mails

Although I understand you want to organize the time off for each team / formation, can not agree with that obligation

Why the difference time it will be 5 mints max, and we do it in the Drop Zone Event last year.

I disagree because several times in this forum, members confirmed their attendance and missed for reasons that I believe most important, do not agree because, taking as an example several operations that occurred over time, there were failures or delays in schedules

We did it before and it is successful.

also believe it is possible to perform such missions as in the past very positively, even taking the example of another mission that called for teams of two pilots at least, on the day of the mission lacked pilots teams that made those teams had unique elements that need to look at other teams in the same situation a chance to join at this time.

 Welcome to every one

the Special Air Force is certainly present, but we will not confirm if with 2, 3, 4 or more pilots.

At 18.00z we will be present and, at that time determine if there will be formations with two elements, 3 elements, 2 +2, 2 +3, etc..

when we ask for 2 or 3 pilot in the group it is for fun and interesting, you can come alone no problem.

More inform you, like me, many of our pilots are on vacation this time of year and that is our taste for Special Operations that we will be on this date for the mission. I turned on the day of the mission on vacation.

I am so sorry but I don’t responsible about that also forgave me of that I can’t send to you email to ask you if I can do event or not, and I hope to enjoy in the vacation.

I hope and wish that the organization be aware of these arguments.

The SOD of IVAO know about the Event and they gave me the approve.

Noting that the Special Air Force was the first group to express their desire to be present and carry out the mission, we can only assume that we will be the 1st to start the mission.

Most welcome to you guys
 

1-what will hapen to any pilot that not make the reservation and do the mission?

He will take the point but with failure mission, of course there is STAFF OBS to see how make it or not.

2-if a pilot don't do the reservation, will not have the points of the mission?

 
No if he did not Participation.

3-the airspace will be closed to any pilot that don't do the reservation?

The airspace blocked from 230 to 280.

THIS CAN'T BE RIGHT! WE ONLY KNOW THE MISSION IF WE SEND THE MAIL WITH THE NAME OF THE PILOTS, ETC...

THIS CAN'T BE A HQ MISSION... IS A SECRET MISSION ONLY FOR FEWS... IS A GROUP IN THE MAJOR GROUP!

I'M AGAINS THIS!

We do that to make sure all pilot take the point and we can’t send the list without names.

Another error! we see dct HAS but the point is HSA!

It is mistake we will correct it, thanks
 

I sugest: do a correct map and open the participation to who wants to do the mission!

Welcome to everyone and we did not say, No


Sir tray to enjoy

[Luis Nogueira]

i think you didnt read the forum where this topic is posted in it. It is a special Operation event . you have to expect to find something new and not normal like flying with group and the minmum  2. you have millions of event that are to fly alone and that is becouse it is a normal event , but this is called SO . about the IVAO rules . We have all the approvels for the event from the IVAO SO Department.and the org. has the right to put any additional things to the event. it is a SO event 

Sir, i read it soo good that i found several errors.
I sugest also that you read about Special Operations because Special Operations isn´t to limit things with a reservation by e-mail.
As i sure see, you can see that this kind of mission where we need to identify and escort already have been done (i've been in the organization) and wasn't need to reserve participation 3 days before.
As sure you can see (vid288415) many missions i've done and this isn't nothing new... only the question of need to make a reservation 3 days before to know the departure and the mission.
As sure you can see in this DEP, many missions were done as you call "alone" and others in formation. As i see when you talk about other events do it alone, you must been talking of many events org by many divisions that try to united pilots and atc at the same time for an event.

at last, when you say that because this is a SO and because that the org can do what ever they want... be aware of what that means!

[Luis Nogueira]

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However we will not confirm the number of pilots, their names much less their e-mails
The group is 2 or 3 they have to put leader who responsible to organize his pilot I can’t receive all e-mails

did i put in question this? did i say anything about the question of leader or send mail to all pilots? i think you didn't read well que sentence.

Citar
Although I understand you want to organize the time off for each team / formation, can not agree with that obligation

Why the difference time it will be 5 mints max, and we do it in the Drop Zone Event last year.

if the diference will be max 5 min, why the need of reservation....

Citar
I disagree because several times in this forum, members confirmed their attendance and missed for reasons that I believe most important, do not agree because, taking as an example several operations that occurred over time, there were failures or delays in schedules
We did it before and it is successful.

congrats! must be unique the situation of all members that say i go, been there!

Citar
also believe it is possible to perform such missions as in the past very positively, even taking the example of another mission that called for teams of two pilots at least, on the day of the mission lacked pilots teams that made those teams had unique elements that need to look at other teams in the same situation a chance to join at this time.

 Welcome to every one

wlecome to every one? is this the argument for the teams that have a pilot missing? yep, i already read that the mission can be done alone... funny... the other member of SA division say that situation is in other "normal events"

Citar
the Special Air Force is certainly present, but we will not confirm if with 2, 3, 4 or more pilots.
At 18.00z we will be present and, at that time determine if there will be formations with two elements, 3 elements, 2 +2, 2 +3, etc..

when we ask for 2 or 3 pilot in the group it is for fun and interesting, you can come alone no problem.

this is a information by the Special Air force. not a question. we will not confirm the total of pilots doing the mission. can't read the future...

Citar
More inform you, like me, many of our pilots are on vacation this time of year and that is our taste for Special Operations that we will be on this date for the mission. I turned on the day of the mission on vacation.

I am so sorry but I don’t responsible about that also forgave me of that I can’t send to you email to ask you if I can do event or not, and I hope to enjoy in the vacation.

i'm not asking you for responsible. just trying that you see that are people that only are at home at the day of the mission and by your need of reservation, can't be possible. Don't need you send mail asking if i can do or not! the day is set, 30july, the error is ask for reservation before. tks about the wish of good vacation

Citar
I hope and wish that the organization be aware of these arguments.
The SOD of IVAO know about the Event and they gave me the approve.

ok. i just don't agree and as i know the rules can change... for example... teams of 3 pilots, can be 2 or can be alone!

Citar
Noting that the Special Air Force was the first group to express their desire to be present and carry out the mission, we can only assume that we will be the 1st to start the mission.
Most welcome to you guys
 
tks... and about the question... we just will assume that we are the 1st formation depart. from where? don't know... is secret and to know we must do a reservation.

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1-what will hapen to any pilot that not make the reservation and do the mission?
He will take the point but with failure mission, of course there is STAFF OBS to see how make it or not.

explain better this situation, please

Citar
2-if a pilot don't do the reservation, will not have the points of the mission?
 
No if he did not Participation.

explain better this, please

Citar
3-the airspace will be closed to any pilot that don't do the reservation?

The airspace blocked from 230 to 280.

so, all "normal" flights will be cancel over that area? 230 to 280 is FL?

Citar
THIS CAN'T BE RIGHT! WE ONLY KNOW THE MISSION IF WE SEND THE MAIL WITH THE NAME OF THE PILOTS, ETC...

THIS CAN'T BE A HQ MISSION... IS A SECRET MISSION ONLY FOR FEWS... IS A GROUP IN THE MAJOR GROUP!

I'M AGAINS THIS!

We do that to make sure all pilot take the point and we can’t send the list without names.

sir, as you sure have done missions HQ, you sure have seen that, on other missions without reservation, the organization of the mission have identify all pilots and atc that done the mission. this mean that you need 3 days before to do that job? or means that pilots that show up in the day of the mission will not have the name in the report of the mission?


Citar
I sugest: do a correct map and open the participation to who wants to do the mission!
Welcome to everyone and we did not say, No

you say no when you ask the need of do the reservation!


Sir, for sure you didn't understand the major point: isn't the question of do with 2, 3, 4 or alone the mission.
Isn't the question of send e-mail to every pilots.
Isn't all other situations that you have talk.

IS ABOUT DO THE MISSIONS WITHOUT THE NEED OF DO A 3 DAYS RESERVATION! 3,2,1 OR ANYTHING ELSE!

[Luis Nogueira]

"The leader of the formation will guide his group to fly in close formation (minimum 0.1 NM)  with the TGT."

and the max?

answer to this question please.

[Luis Nogueira]

I you don't find problems in do that, it will be fair to see the formations that want to do the event. As sure you can see in other missions, is usual to see the pilots that wanna go...

1st formation that wanna go... Special Air Force

As i see, Leonardo Ferreira will try to go...

others?

[Luis Nogueira]

Just wanna ask 2 things:

- not need to reserve participation by mail. just post it in this topic

- the org of the mission inform here or in the site the depart ICAO.

As i already explain the arguments... now i will ask this untill the right of do this kind of missions without reservation be confirm.

Luís Nogueira, 288415, 33 pts - SO missions

[SALMAN AL SARHAN]

As i already explain the arguments... now i will ask this untill the right of do this kind of missions without reservation be confirm.

Dear Luis

I will explain for you why you have to send an e-mail 3days in advance?
Such type of mission required minimum communications due to the security of the mission and the large numbers of flights, so we request that to send back to the participants their assigned squawk ,callsign and takeoff time.
I`m sure you will agree with me how it help in such kind of mission.

Thanks in advance for your understanding

[Luis Nogueira]

Dear Luis

I will explain for you why you have to send an e-mail 3days in advance?
Such type of mission required minimum communications due to the security of the mission and the large numbers of flights, so we request that to send back to the participants their assigned squawk ,callsign and takeoff time.
I`m sure you will agree with me how it help in such kind of mission.

Thanks in advance for your understanding

Dear Sir,

As i explain before, many missions have been done before without the need of that.
sorry but i can't agree when you say large number of flights because the formation are seen as one so...
As i told before, the only special ocasion that i think that can be a reservation is at the airshow because only one pilot/ formation can fly over the rwy and have a important time  to do the display. last year (don't know if you been there) 15 min to each pilot/ formation. in this situation i see that is important to have a schecule for each pilot/ formation.
As i told before, in the total of 33 pts of Special Operations, all done as pilot, where i did SAR, escort, cargo transport, incursion and identification, patrol, LAPES, air-to-air refuel and others, never i've seen the need of reservation before. only at the air show and there i see the need of that because the airshow was 3 days.
As i told before, never before the organization of a mission need advance the names, mails, vid, callsigns. they do that during the mission.
Sure i've  seen at the forum many pilots showing that will try to do the missions before. nothing more than that.
As you see, i did that in the forum, as CEO of Special Air Force, sharing with you that i will try to get the large number possible of pilots of my SOG and asking that things don't be so black and white and have the unsderstanding of get free of do the mission without reservation.
As i explain before, most of the pilots will be return or going to holidays in the final of the month and they can't confirm the presence. sure most of them will try.
when member of your staff say something like "sorry didn´t ask if i can or not do the mission", that wasn´t the question. when i see the mission, and as i like SO as you can see, i talk with my family to return in that day to do that mission. as you can understand, for this days i will not be abble to contact with my friends and establish the necessary contacts.

Another thing i've seen in the site of the mission: why you ask all the e-mails of the participants if you only will send e-mail to the leader? Can you explain?

Just wanna ask 2 things:

- not need to reserve participation by mail. just post it in this topic

- the org of the mission inform here or in the site the depart ICAO.

As i already explain the arguments... now i will ask this untill the right of do this kind of missions without reservation be confirm.

Luís Nogueira, 288415

But if you need to know the name of the pilots that will try to go if they can, if there isn't any major problem, if the life can turn that possible, if there isn't any work, if the family can give that free time, if the internet works, if the PC works and if FS works, i can do that:

Luís Nogueira, António "Dragon" Ribeiro, Pedro Bascones, Helder Matos, Pedro "Big Pete" Chorão, Robin De Nys, João "Fatboy" Melim, Onsel Aydin, Christopher Globe, Ricardo Silva, Gonçalo "Sharkiller" Figueiredo, Dani "Tisor" Aguado, Carlos "CAG" Tomas Elez, Rui "Razor" Calado, George "Hercules" Skenderidis, Diego Gomes, J. "Kobra" Fernandes, Anton "Alfa Mike" Minke, Paulo "Storm" Costa, Marcel "Falkon" Vidinha, Sergio "Raptor" Gonzalez, Pedro "SURF2BIN" Sandin, Sérgio "Shiny" Brilhante, Jess "Falcon42" Madoe, João "Pushmaster" Leonardo, Carlos Poinho, Artur Simões, Menbenkhelil Bilal, Mathias Jacobs Anseeuw, Pedro Lopes, Ricardo Hawkes, Gonçalo "Handsome" Gonçalves, Leonardo " Maverick" Ferreira.
I also can inform the our sog open the aplication for the new season so for sure new pilots will like to do special operations.

Who goes with who, don't know. only know that our members like to do special operations.

hope also you understand

[SALMAN AL SARHAN]

never i've seen the need of reservation before

Dear Sir, Luis

I`ve question for you:
Where you find or read the word of make reservation or book your flight?

Really I try many times to find this word in the event page but sadly I couldn’t find it


 

don't be so black and white and have the unsderstanding of get free of do the mission without reservation.

 Okay since I couldn’t find that word(reservation),you can tell now how doing like what you is keep writing above.

Thanks in advance for your understanding

[Luis Nogueira]

   The event:

the group leader will send an email to the SA-SOC and SA-SOAC, 3 days in advance before the event include the following:

   1.      Call sign for the 3 or 2 Pilots
   2.      VID & Names for the 3 or 2 Pilots
   3.      Participants E-mails
     
Then we will send an email to the leader of the group take-off time, SQK and the mission.

what is this then?

citar:
"so we request that to send back to the participants their assigned squawk ,callsign and takeoff time."

if you REQUEST this info, isn´t a reservation/ book flight? because isn't me that say that need to request to send an e-mail with group take-off time, SQK and the mission

I also remeber that no one explain why need all the mails if the org only send mail to the leader, if this is for everybody, why need to know the mail to send the mission.

about the understanding, i can understand that you need 3 days advance to prepare sq, takeoff time and send e-mails but all the other special operations before didn´t need it...

and as i told several times... i can't agree with this "don´t know the word" but seems reservation or book flight but that the organization don't think it's but request names, mails vid, callsigns to do a   (don´t know the best word) where the organization send an e-mail to leaders of formation that can be 3 or 2 or 1 pilot (maybe if all the others can do the mission or can't find another pilot to do it) where they say the departure time and sq and the mission.

Sure in many sites we can see this as "book flight" or reservation but for this mission maybe can have another word...

please don´t take this as personal. since the start we have made progresses and take some conclusions:

- for the org, if is SO, all can be done, even req mails of all the pilots that wanna do the mission, something like book flight in advance or similar, inform that only at Special operations we can see flight group, fly alone is for "normal" events.

- the formations can be 3 or 2 pilots but now can be "alone" - opsss must be a "normal" event if is alone -

- can´t explain well what happen if a pilot do't send the mail with the info and do the mission. say that "He will take the point but with failure mission" but also say that "No if he did not Participation" when asked about what happens if don't do the ? word that is when the org need to know who is interested to do 3 days advance a thing like book flight where the formations know when is the departure, the sq and the mission.

- we also know that, althou all are welcome, only who send the mail with 3 days advance can know the ICAO of departure, the mission, the departure time and the mission.

- we see that, for this missions, rights of privacy policy (there is laws) that protect our data as our e-mail, need to be broken to the organization send e-mail to the leader of formation with the departure time, sq and mission.

- we see that we are doing a team work about a doc/ site or what ever with errors and discussing things. is good. and we also are trying to find new words for procedures that can be book flight or reservation but means the act of send an e-mail with some data to receive other where we see when we can takeoff, know our sq.

- we still don't know the icao of the departure.

- we still don´t know what means "The airspace blocked from 230 to 280." is FL? is altitude? is...

citar:
"Okay since I couldn’t find that word(reservation),you can tell now how doing like what you is keep writing above."

you can use the word you like to procedure that means send and e-mail showing that we wanna do the mission and receive an e-mail with our departure time, sq and mission, just tell me what you like. how to do without this book flight/ reservation/ ? Simple! just do as all the missions before did and work. the pilots are in the departure time at the set hour. ask for FP aprove and receive the sq. receive the info abut the mission. just that.
there are some members post in the forum msg saying that would like to do the mission, that will try to go, that will be there...

since the 1st time i request the same:

- not need to send an e-mail before with the data asked. don´t forget the privacy policy that protect the share of personal info as the e-mail.
- inform the ICAO of departure

and would like to see before the event the table with the formations and departure time and missions... or is the same for all. if it is why need to send by mail... is reserved only for who send mail saying that wanna go?

As you see, i will continue discussing this issues.


tks

Luís Nogueira

[Luis Nogueira]

citar:

" IVAO™ Rules and Regulations
    3.- Terms of use.

3.1 - The IVAO™ network is offered to you free of charge conditioned on your acceptance of the IVAO™ rules and regulations published on our website. Your use of the network constitutes your agreement to all IVAO™ rules and requirements. IVAO™ reserves the right to change the rules and requirements without notice. You are responsible for regularly reviewing these rules and regulations.

3.3 - It is not allowed to restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the network services except in the way and with the manners described in the Rules and Regulations. For further information, a list of actions that could lead to a suspension of an account can be found here.

3.3 - It is not allowed to restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the network services.

3.4 - IVAO™ makes no warranty that any IVAO™ service will be uninterrupted, timely, secure or error-free."

By the rules, it is not allowed to restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the network services. If you request the names of the pilots, vid, mails (remember privacy policy) to send the departure time, the sq and mission, the org of this mission are restrict or inhibit all users that don´t do that of enjoy this mission.

by other side, if the organization says that anyone are welcome, why need to request the name of the pilots, vid and mails. in this case, the org must share in public domin the data necessary to enjoy this mission like the departure icao and mission.

tks,

Luís Nogueira

[Sam Bogaerts]

Yo, ease down the fuss guys.
Stick to the event topic or let it go..

[SALMAN AL SARHAN]

Dear Luis

I will explain for you why you have to send an e-mail 3days in advance?
Such type of mission required minimum communications due to the security of the mission and the large numbers of flights, so we request that to send back to the participants their assigned squawk ,callsign and takeoff time.
I`m sure you will agree with me how it help in such kind of mission.

Thanks in advance for your understanding

[Luis Nogueira]

Sam, this is a discuss about the topic: this mission!

and will continue to share arguments untill the organization say that isn´t need to send mail with the names, mails of all pilots, callsigns and vids to receive the departure time, the sq and the mission.

Even more when this is also about and against laws of privacy polity and against rules and Regulations of IVAO (terms of use)

As i said before...

since the 1st time i request the same:

- not need to send an e-mail before with the data asked. don´t forget the privacy policy that protect the share of personal info as the e-mail.
- inform the ICAO of departure

and would like to see before the event the table with the formations and departure time and missions... or is the same for all. if it is why need to send by mail... is reserved only for who send mail saying that wanna go?

As you see, i will continue discussing this issues.

if not here, with the staff members that work with the rules and regulations of IVAO where "3.3 - It is not allowed to restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the network services except in the way and with the manners described in the Rules and Regulations. For further information, a list of actions that could lead to a suspension of an account can be found here." is not acomplished in this mission.

If we need to send mail to know icao, departure time and mission... that is a restrict or inhibit

[Luis Nogueira]

Never in IVAO history was need that org define the callsign of a pilot. even more when you req the callsign of the pilots before!

[Luis Nogueira]

already have read this before... this time read another . you need we send a mail with names, vid, mails and callsign.... to receive sq, takeoff time and callsign?

in the site of event says that we receive mail with sq, takeoff time and mission.

[Luis Nogueira]

citar:

" IVAO™ Rules and Regulations
    3.- Terms of use.

3.1 - The IVAO™ network is offered to you free of charge conditioned on your acceptance of the IVAO™ rules and regulations published on our website. Your use of the network constitutes your agreement to all IVAO™ rules and requirements. IVAO™ reserves the right to change the rules and requirements without notice. You are responsible for regularly reviewing these rules and regulations.

3.3 - It is not allowed to restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the network services except in the way and with the manners described in the Rules and Regulations. For further information, a list of actions that could lead to a suspension of an account can be found here.

3.3 - It is not allowed to restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the network services.

3.4 - IVAO™ makes no warranty that any IVAO™ service will be uninterrupted, timely, secure or error-free."

By the rules, it is not allowed to restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the network services. If you request the names of the pilots, vid, mails (remember privacy policy) to send the departure time, the sq and mission, the org of this mission are restrict or inhibit all users that don´t do that of enjoy this mission.

by other side, if the organization says that anyone are welcome, why need to request the name of the pilots, vid and mails. in this case, the org must share in public domin the data necessary to enjoy this mission like the departure icao and mission.

tks,

Luís Nogueira

[Luis Nogueira]

   The event:

the group leader will send an email to the SA-SOC and SA-SOAC, 3 days in advance before the event include the following:

   1.      Call sign for the 3 or 2 Pilots
   2.      VID & Names for the 3 or 2 Pilots
   3.      Participants E-mails
     
Then we will send an email to the leader of the group take-off time, SQK and the mission.

what is this then?

citar:
"so we request that to send back to the participants their assigned squawk ,callsign and takeoff time."

if you REQUEST this info, isn´t a reservation/ book flight? because isn't me that say that need to request to send an e-mail with group take-off time, SQK and the mission

I also remeber that no one explain why need all the mails if the org only send mail to the leader, if this is for everybody, why need to know the mail to send the mission.

about the understanding, i can understand that you need 3 days advance to prepare sq, takeoff time and send e-mails but all the other special operations before didn´t need it...

and as i told several times... i can't agree with this "don´t know the word" but seems reservation or book flight but that the organization don't think it's but request names, mails vid, callsigns to do a   (don´t know the best word) where the organization send an e-mail to leaders of formation that can be 3 or 2 or 1 pilot (maybe if all the others can do the mission or can't find another pilot to do it) where they say the departure time and sq and the mission.

Sure in many sites we can see this as "book flight" or reservation but for this mission maybe can have another word...

please don´t take this as personal. since the start we have made progresses and take some conclusions:

- for the org, if is SO, all can be done, even req mails of all the pilots that wanna do the mission, something like book flight in advance or similar, inform that only at Special operations we can see flight group, fly alone is for "normal" events.

- the formations can be 3 or 2 pilots but now can be "alone" - opsss must be a "normal" event if is alone -

- can´t explain well what happen if a pilot do't send the mail with the info and do the mission. say that "He will take the point but with failure mission" but also say that "No if he did not Participation" when asked about what happens if don't do the ? word that is when the org need to know who is interested to do 3 days advance a thing like book flight where the formations know when is the departure, the sq and the mission.

- we also know that, althou all are welcome, only who send the mail with 3 days advance can know the ICAO of departure, the mission, the departure time and the mission.

- we see that, for this missions, rights of privacy policy (there is laws) that protect our data as our e-mail, need to be broken to the organization send e-mail to the leader of formation with the departure time, sq and mission.

- we see that we are doing a team work about a doc/ site or what ever with errors and discussing things. is good. and we also are trying to find new words for procedures that can be book flight or reservation but means the act of send an e-mail with some data to receive other where we see when we can takeoff, know our sq.

- we still don't know the icao of the departure.

- we still don´t know what means "The airspace blocked from 230 to 280." is FL? is altitude? is...

citar:
"Okay since I couldn’t find that word(reservation),you can tell now how doing like what you is keep writing above."

you can use the word you like to procedure that means send and e-mail showing that we wanna do the mission and receive an e-mail with our departure time, sq and mission, just tell me what you like. how to do without this book flight/ reservation/ ? Simple! just do as all the missions before did and work. the pilots are in the departure time at the set hour. ask for FP aprove and receive the sq. receive the info abut the mission. just that.
there are some members post in the forum msg saying that would like to do the mission, that will try to go, that will be there...

since the 1st time i request the same:

- not need to send an e-mail before with the data asked. don´t forget the privacy policy that protect the share of personal info as the e-mail.
- inform the ICAO of departure

and would like to see before the event the table with the formations and departure time and missions... or is the same for all. if it is why need to send by mail... is reserved only for who send mail saying that wanna go?

As you see, i will continue discussing this issues.


tks

Luís Nogueira

[Luis Nogueira]

"The event organizer has a right for any addition or special requirement what is not against to the IVAO rules"

this is agains IVAO rules so:

- stop req the names, vid, mails of all pilots and callsigns to can receive departure time, sq and mission.

- all members must know the mission, must know the DEP ICAO and be free to join without send mail with th req info.

regards

Luís Nogueira

[Luis Nogueira]

if the org need to know the name of the pilots that will try to go if they can, if there isn't any major problem, if the life can turn that possible, if there isn't any work, if the family can give that free time, if the internet works, if the PC works and if FS works, i can do that:

this are the members of our SOG:

Luís Nogueira,
António "Dragon" Ribeiro,
Pedro Bascones,
Helder Matos,
Pedro "Big Pete" Chorão,
Robin De Nys,
João "Fatboy" Melim,
Onsel Aydin,
Christopher Globe,
Ricardo Silva,
Gonçalo "Sharkiller" Figueiredo,
Dani "Tisor" Aguado,
Carlos "CAG" Tomas Elez,
Rui "Razor" Calado,
George "Hercules" Skenderidis,
Diego Gomes,
J. "Kobra" Fernandes,
Anton "Alfa Mike" Minke,
Paulo "Storm" Costa,
Marcel "Falkon" Vidinha,
Sergio "Raptor" Gonzalez,
Pedro "SURF2BIN" Sandin,
Sérgio "Shiny" Brilhante,
Jess "Falcon42" Madoe,
João "Pushmaster" Leonardo,
Carlos Poinho,
Artur Simões,
Menbenkhelil Bilal,
Mathias Jacobs Anseeuw,
Pedro Lopes,
Ricardo Hawkes,
Gonçalo "Handsome" Gonçalves,

I also can inform that our sog open the aplication for the new season so for sure new pilots will like to do special operations.

Who goes with who, don't know. only know that our members like to do special operations.

[giorgos]

The spirit of IVAO.

[Juan Carlos Batista]

Isn't there any moderator who cut this ??

Ivao, as far as I know, was created as a civil airspace. They allow us to fly special operations. So, I think this can be harmful to our "Special Comunity".

I wish we had missions every day, so please, don't put obstacles on the way to do it.

This are the rules for this mission, just take it or leave it and wait for next mission.

VID: 281941

[Mohammad Albahly]

Isn't there any moderator who cut this ??

Ivao, as far as I know, was created as a civil airspace. They allow us to fly special operations. So, I think this can be harmful to our "Special Comunity".

I wish we had missions every day, so please, don't put obstacles on the way to do it.

This are the rules for this mission, just take it or leave it and wait for next mission.

VID: 281941

Welcome mr Juan

Can u gave me the Military callsign for u

Regards

[Mohammad Albahly]

Mr Luis

Only one question,
Do you want to participate in this Event or not, if your answer is yes I ask you to send a email by your name and VID.. And I will get back to you with all the information .. But if it not .. Please finish the conversation...

[Luis Nogueira]

Isn't there any moderator who cut this ??

Ivao, as far as I know, was created as a civil airspace. They allow us to fly special operations. So, I think this can be harmful to our "Special Comunity".

I wish we had missions every day, so please, don't put obstacles on the way to do it.

This are the rules for this mission, just take it or leave it and wait for next mission.

VID: 281941

Juan Carlos, isn't a question of put obstacles on the way.

Is the rules of IVAO, the main rules as sure you must know!

this is rules under the rules!

[Luis Nogueira]

To the org of the event:

As you sure have seen, i will be there!

As all can see the spirit of this mission is, i made the rule, take or leave! it seems much as ... how can i say it...

[giorgos]

I hope that a supervisor is gonna be standing by for this event.

[Luis Nogueira]

when someone can't have arguments to discuss, the rule "my way or not" don't make sense!

Special operations don´t mean a group under the main Association.

So, the rules of IVAO also aplly here.

About the question, for sure i will be there if you have the good sense of put the ICAO departure and all the data necessary to all members of IVAO can do this mission.

For sure i will not send before any mail from me.

will just send an e-mail with the print-screen.

[Viktahh]

i have some questions about this event

the leader of formation has right to identify the target  but his wingmans simply following him  like dogs on tail
 leader takes screenshot send it to validators ands thats all
doesnt it kill some fun of this mission ?
i dont want to be dumb flying wingman who simply following leader.

maybe here will be 2 or 3 targets so wingmans will get a little busy ?
anyway great SO event i wil try to participate it 


i even would like to be  some TGT in the sky if its possible. i can fly fat bomber for example or  cargo plane

[Luis Nogueira]

i have some questions about this event

the leader of formation has right to identify the target  but his wingmans simply following him  like dogs on tail
 leader takes screenshot send it to validators ands thats all
doesnt it kill some fun of this mission ?
i dont want to be dumb flying wingman who simply following leader.

maybe here will be 2 or 3 targets so wingmans will get a little busy ?
anyway great SO event i wil try to participate it 


i even would like to be  some TGT in the sky if its possible. i can fly fat bomber for example or  cargo plane

Hi Viktahh!

this kind of mission have already been done in Pt division this year. on that time we did as in real life, where the formations are waiting for that call.
If you see that mission, you can see the comunications.
it's a normal proced the formation.

regards,

Luís Nogueira

[Sultan ALsultan]

Dear Luis we appreciate and respect your Idea about the Event
lets stop this debate and stick with the event topic
we are waiting for your group to participate
same as well most welcome for all members of IVAO

[Luis Nogueira]

for sure you can count with us!

[Jean Moreira]

Can i fly with 5 pilots? or only 3 ?
Best Regards great event!

[Luis Nogueira]

hi sirs,

have just a doubt. can see the departure ICAO. in the map is not clear.

tks

[Mohammad Albahly]

Can i fly with 5 pilots? or only 3 ?
Best Regards great event!

yes mr Jean you can 5,6,7 it will be 2 group if you are 5, welcome

[Mohammad Albahly]

hi sirs,

have just a doubt. can see the departure ICAO. in the map is not clear.

tks

OEDR ( King Abdullaziz Air Base ) @ Dhahran

[Mohammad Albahly]

i have some questions about this event

the leader of formation has right to identify the target  but his wingmans simply following him  like dogs on tail
 leader takes screenshot send it to validators ands thats all
doesnt it kill some fun of this mission ?
i dont want to be dumb flying wingman who simply following leader.

maybe here will be 2 or 3 targets so wingmans will get a little busy ?
anyway great SO event i wil try to participate it 


i even would like to be  some TGT in the sky if its possible. i can fly fat bomber for example or  cargo plane

Who told you that they are like dogs they also try to take the picture of the TGT to get better pictures of unknown TGT and send it to us .

[Viktahh]

 After the landing the leader should send the Print Screen to the SA-SOC , SA-SOAC

as writed in event page

hmm so wingmans will take pictures but not send them like leader do.

still strange for me.

[Mohammad Albahly]

After the landing the leader should send the Print Screen to the SA-SOC , SA-SOAC

as writed in event page

hmm so wingmans will take pictures but not send them like leader do.

still strange for me.

Is the problem with this Event to send the email

[Mohammed Al-Najran]

After the landing the leader should send the Print Screen to the SA-SOC , SA-SOAC

as writed in event page

hmm so wingmans will take pictures but not send them like leader do.

still strange for me.

All communication with orginizers (sa-soc, etc) are done by the team leader. This is to reduce confusion.

The work load can be distributed between the leader and wing men as they wish.

It does not matter who takes the picture, as long as it's from one of the team members. Sending the pictures though should be done by the team leader as posted in the event page.

[Omar Herrera]

Hi Guys!

The Virtual Mexican Navy will be there.

Count with us and best regards!

[Omar Herrera]

Hi guys, exist some scenery of the bases?

regards!

[Mohammad Albahly]

Hi guys, exist some scenery of the bases?

regards!

Welcome

Sorry Omar we dont have but we have AFCAD for it from MAIW form here

http://www.militaryaiworks.com

[Sultan ALsultan]

Five days to go

[Mohammad Albahly]

2 Days

 

[Gabor Szentesi]

Mohammad,


Everything is ready for the event?
I will be not available during the event, but if you need any support form the SOHQ, please contact one of my SOHQ staff member for assistance.

After the event, I am waiting for the event report in the official excel format. When I will be back, i will validate the event.

Thanks,

[Mohammed Al-Najran]

We are ready Gabor.

Thanks

[Luis Nogueira]

hi sirs,

just a confirmation:

i see in your info here 1800z but in ivae i see 1900z.

can you confirm?

tks

[Luis Nogueira]

hi sirs,

just a confirmation:

i see in your info here 1800z but in ivae i see 1900z.

can you confirm?

tks

i see is a mystake of IVAE. in events calendar i see 1800z

until then!

[mchovancak]

Many thanks to SA DIV for this event For me, it was first time to identify target out of my own country Here are some pics for you:

Enroute with Roman on Tornado


Target identified


Safety back on base



Thank you again

Regards
Marian

[Luis Nogueira]

GREAT EVENT - so nice that i did it twice 

here are the pics of the 2 flights - 1st with Nuno Silva , 2nd with Sérgio Brilhante.








more pics at www.specialairforce.org

note: i will ask to other pilots with callsign SOF that post here the pics and send to me sofvirt@gmail.com. i will post them at our site.

Registrations are open for the new season on special air force. Only pilots and atc special! - Learn more www.specialairforce.org

[abdullah almutiri]

Luis Nogueira + mchovancak thanks for  pictures

 I will put your pictures in the video for Event

sa-foac@ivao.aero

[Sultan ALsultan]

woow nice pic thanks for all pilots

[abdullah almutiri]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejx7wnH2i0g

[Mohammad Albahly]

Thanks to all who participated in this event ... It really was a wonderful .... and wonderful Pic

[mchovancak]

Nice pics and video Thx again for great event

[Luis Nogueira]

Great movie!

i will post it in our favorites of our youtube channel of our site www.specialairforce.org

[Sérgio Brilhante]

Thanks for the nice event.

What´s the next.

[Mohammad Albahly]

I send the VID to SOHQ to get the Point .... Thanks to All 

[Leonardo Ferreira]

Nice event guys
Congrats

[Gabor Szentesi]

Thanks for the event!

Validated.

[Leonardo Ferreira]

Nice Event guys
Congrats